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Controversy Surrounds Pistol Permit Application Asking for Facebook Information

Controversy Surrounds Pistol Permit Application Asking for Facebook Information - See more at: http://albany.twcnews.com/content/news/779408/controversy-surrounds-pistol-permit-application-asking-for-facebook-information/#sthash.Fd9R3OFk.dpuf

How much information should police ask for on your pistol permit application: your phone number? Your fingerprints? What about your Facebook password? One local police force asked for that recently, on its pistol permit application. Geoff Redick has more from Watervliet.

 

WATERVLIET, N.Y. — There's a reason we create private passwords for our social media accounts: the information contained therein is private.

 

We're often warned not to give out these passwords — but how do we react if the police ask for them? That's what appeared to have happened in Watervliet recently, where a form included in the city's pistol permit application included a blank line for applicants to fill-in "Facebook & Password."

 

The story broke last week, when internet blog "The Truth About Guns" posted an image of the form. A statement from the police department acknowledged the form had been included in past applications. Website publisher Robert Farago confirmed to Time Warner Cable News that he spoke by phone with Watervliet Police Chief Ronald Boisvert, about the form. The Chief is quoted on the website, saying that the form was mistakenly included in the packet, and is for internal use only.

 

However, Chief Boisvert is also quoted as follows: "We ask the applicant to log-on to Facebook in front of us, (to search for) pages they've looked at, friends — anything that reflects on character." The Chief later told the website that the Albany County judiciary created the Facebook password requirement.

 

"I'm just the middleman here," Boisvert is quoted. "It is what it is."

 

Time Warner Cable News attempted to question Chief Boisvert, but we were instead e-mailed a statement Tuesday evening. It reads, in part: "Social media is a vital investigative tool and we make use of it in background investigations, to render a well-founded and complete recommendation on applicants for the courts." However, the following sentence says, "None of the eight applicants who supplied Facebook information have had their accounts accessed."

 

Unclear whether Facebook accounts were still being used for background or not, we again reached out through the contracted public relations firm for the City of Watervliet. We were informed that Chief Boisvert would have no further comment or clarification. A visit to the mayor's office resulted in a conversation with Watervliet General Manager Mark Gleason, who said that city government would have "no comment" on the pistol permit issue.

 

"I think this Facebook situation, it intimidates people," said Steve Borst, manager of Target Sports in Glenville. As a veteran gun dealer in New York, Borst performs background checks on anyone who buys a firearm at his store. We appraised him of the story and the chief's statement, prior to our interview.

 

"The system has worked really well for many years. It hasn't been broken," said Borst. "I think it's just a bit of a violation of someone's rights to go into their Facebook account."

 

"The question is: how far can you go in a background check?" said legal analyst Paul DerOhannessian Wednesday. The Albany-based lawyer viewed our copy of Boisvert's statement, and agreed that it was vague. "Suppose the applicant doesn't give their password; does that disqualify them?"

 

DerOhannessian says the Facebook question now coming from Watervliet is part of a larger, continuing process to find boundaries for pistol permit background checks — which are currently regulated at the county level. The lawyer says the issue may someday reach the high courts, if an applicant feels their rights were violated by the application.

 

"And in that process the question will be: was that proper?" says DerOhannessian. "Or is it proper to deny (an application), based on someone's refusal to supply (a password)? That's what we don't know. I don't think the law is clear on that."

 

Through Watervliet's contracted public relations firm, Time Warner Cable News has requested an interview with Chief Boisvert, when he is available to speak on the issue.

 

 

READ WATERVLIET POLICE CHIEF RONALD BOISVERT'S FULL STATEMENT BELOW:

 

    "In light of recent inquires made to this Department regarding a Facebook post concerning Pistol Permit Application Processing at the Watervliet Police Department, the following is provided:

 

    'Local police agencies in New York State are charged with the important task of conducting background and character investigations of persons applying for pistol permits, a duty that we approach with the attention it deserves. Today, social media is a vital investigative tool and we make a use of it in these background investigations in order to render a well-founded and complete recommendation on applicants to the courts. None of the eight (8) applicants who supplied Facebook information have had their accounts accessed, which I know because I am the investigating officer and the only person conducting background checks. I approach this duty with the greatest respect for gun owners and their rights, a perspective that is shaped by my 9-year service in the U.S. Navy and exposure to guns at a young age through my grandfather, a well-respected gunsmith. I do not take guns, gun safety or our freedoms as Americans lightly, and as Chief of Police I have a serious job to do, and I approach it with respect.'

 

    - Watervliet Police Chief Ronald A. Boisvert, Jr.

 

    *The form originally posted as being included in the Pistol Permit Package has been removed and replaced with a version that does not request an applicants’ Facebook information.

 

Source: http://albany.twcnews.com/content/news/779408/controversy-surrounds-pistol-permit-application-asking-for-facebook-information/#sthash.Fd9R3OFk.dpuf

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How much information should police ask for on your pistol permit application: your phone number? Your fingerprints? What about your Facebook password? One local police force asked for that recently, on its pistol permit application. Geoff Redick has more from Watervliet.

WATERVLIET, N.Y. — There's a reason we create private passwords for our social media accounts: the information contained therein is private.

We're often warned not to give out these passwords — but how do we react if the police ask for them? That's what appeared to have happened in Watervliet recently, where a form included in the city's pistol permit application included a blank line for applicants to fill-in "Facebook & Password."

The story broke last week, when internet blog "The Truth About Guns" posted an image of the form. A statement from the police department acknowledged the form had been included in past applications. Website publisher Robert Farago confirmed to Time Warner Cable News that he spoke by phone with Watervliet Police Chief Ronald Boisvert, about the form. The Chief is quoted on the website, saying that the form was mistakenly included in the packet, and is for internal use only.

However, Chief Boisvert is also quoted as follows: "We ask the applicant to log-on to Facebook in front of us, (to search for) pages they've looked at, friends — anything that reflects on character." The Chief later told the website that the Albany County judiciary created the Facebook password requirement.

"I'm just the middleman here," Boisvert is quoted. "It is what it is."

Time Warner Cable News attempted to question Chief Boisvert, but we were instead e-mailed a statement Tuesday evening. It reads, in part: "Social media is a vital investigative tool and we make use of it in background investigations, to render a well-founded and complete recommendation on applicants for the courts." However, the following sentence says, "None of the eight applicants who supplied Facebook information have had their accounts accessed."

Unclear whether Facebook accounts were still being used for background or not, we again reached out through the contracted public relations firm for the City of Watervliet. We were informed that Chief Boisvert would have no further comment or clarification. A visit to the mayor's office resulted in a conversation with Watervliet General Manager Mark Gleason, who said that city government would have "no comment" on the pistol permit issue.

"I think this Facebook situation, it intimidates people," said Steve Borst, manager of Target Sports in Glenville. As a veteran gun dealer in New York, Borst performs background checks on anyone who buys a firearm at his store. We appraised him of the story and the chief's statement, prior to our interview.

"The system has worked really well for many years. It hasn't been broken," said Borst. "I think it's just a bit of a violation of someone's rights to go into their Facebook account."

"The question is: how far can you go in a background check?" said legal analyst Paul DerOhannessian Wednesday. The Albany-based lawyer viewed our copy of Boisvert's statement, and agreed that it was vague. "Suppose the applicant doesn't give their password; does that disqualify them?"

DerOhannessian says the Facebook question now coming from Watervliet is part of a larger, continuing process to find boundaries for pistol permit background checks — which are currently regulated at the county level. The lawyer says the issue may someday reach the high courts, if an applicant feels their rights were violated by the application.

"And in that process the question will be: was that proper?" says DerOhannessian. "Or is it proper to deny (an application), based on someone's refusal to supply (a password)? That's what we don't know. I don't think the law is clear on that."

Through Watervliet's contracted public relations firm, Time Warner Cable News has requested an interview with Chief Boisvert, when he is available to speak on the issue.


READ WATERVLIET POLICE CHIEF RONALD BOISVERT'S FULL STATEMENT BELOW:

"In light of recent inquires made to this Department regarding a Facebook post concerning Pistol Permit Application Processing at the Watervliet Police Department, the following is provided:

'Local police agencies in New York State are charged with the important task of conducting background and character investigations of persons applying for pistol permits, a duty that we approach with the attention it deserves. Today, social media is a vital investigative tool and we make a use of it in these background investigations in order to render a well-founded and complete recommendation on applicants to the courts. None of the eight (8) applicants who supplied Facebook information have had their accounts accessed, which I know because I am the investigating officer and the only person conducting background checks. I approach this duty with the greatest respect for gun owners and their rights, a perspective that is shaped by my 9-year service in the U.S. Navy and exposure to guns at a young age through my grandfather, a well-respected gunsmith. I do not take guns, gun safety or our freedoms as Americans lightly, and as Chief of Police I have a serious job to do, and I approach it with respect.'

- Watervliet Police Chief Ronald A. Boisvert, Jr.

*The form originally posted as being included in the Pistol Permit Package has been removed and replaced with a version that does not request an applicants’ Facebook information.

- See more at: http://albany.twcnews.com/content/news/779408/controversy-surrounds-pistol-permit-application-asking-for-facebook-information/#sthash.Fd9R3OFk.dpuf

How much information should police ask for on your pistol permit application: your phone number? Your fingerprints? What about your Facebook password? One local police force asked for that recently, on its pistol permit application. Geoff Redick has more from Watervliet.

WATERVLIET, N.Y. — There's a reason we create private passwords for our social media accounts: the information contained therein is private.

We're often warned not to give out these passwords — but how do we react if the police ask for them? That's what appeared to have happened in Watervliet recently, where a form included in the city's pistol permit application included a blank line for applicants to fill-in "Facebook & Password."

The story broke last week, when internet blog "The Truth About Guns" posted an image of the form. A statement from the police department acknowledged the form had been included in past applications. Website publisher Robert Farago confirmed to Time Warner Cable News that he spoke by phone with Watervliet Police Chief Ronald Boisvert, about the form. The Chief is quoted on the website, saying that the form was mistakenly included in the packet, and is for internal use only.

However, Chief Boisvert is also quoted as follows: "We ask the applicant to log-on to Facebook in front of us, (to search for) pages they've looked at, friends — anything that reflects on character." The Chief later told the website that the Albany County judiciary created the Facebook password requirement.

"I'm just the middleman here," Boisvert is quoted. "It is what it is."

Time Warner Cable News attempted to question Chief Boisvert, but we were instead e-mailed a statement Tuesday evening. It reads, in part: "Social media is a vital investigative tool and we make use of it in background investigations, to render a well-founded and complete recommendation on applicants for the courts." However, the following sentence says, "None of the eight applicants who supplied Facebook information have had their accounts accessed."

Unclear whether Facebook accounts were still being used for background or not, we again reached out through the contracted public relations firm for the City of Watervliet. We were informed that Chief Boisvert would have no further comment or clarification. A visit to the mayor's office resulted in a conversation with Watervliet General Manager Mark Gleason, who said that city government would have "no comment" on the pistol permit issue.

"I think this Facebook situation, it intimidates people," said Steve Borst, manager of Target Sports in Glenville. As a veteran gun dealer in New York, Borst performs background checks on anyone who buys a firearm at his store. We appraised him of the story and the chief's statement, prior to our interview.

"The system has worked really well for many years. It hasn't been broken," said Borst. "I think it's just a bit of a violation of someone's rights to go into their Facebook account."

"The question is: how far can you go in a background check?" said legal analyst Paul DerOhannessian Wednesday. The Albany-based lawyer viewed our copy of Boisvert's statement, and agreed that it was vague. "Suppose the applicant doesn't give their password; does that disqualify them?"

DerOhannessian says the Facebook question now coming from Watervliet is part of a larger, continuing process to find boundaries for pistol permit background checks — which are currently regulated at the county level. The lawyer says the issue may someday reach the high courts, if an applicant feels their rights were violated by the application.

"And in that process the question will be: was that proper?" says DerOhannessian. "Or is it proper to deny (an application), based on someone's refusal to supply (a password)? That's what we don't know. I don't think the law is clear on that."

Through Watervliet's contracted public relations firm, Time Warner Cable News has requested an interview with Chief Boisvert, when he is available to speak on the issue.


READ WATERVLIET POLICE CHIEF RONALD BOISVERT'S FULL STATEMENT BELOW:

"In light of recent inquires made to this Department regarding a Facebook post concerning Pistol Permit Application Processing at the Watervliet Police Department, the following is provided:

'Local police agencies in New York State are charged with the important task of conducting background and character investigations of persons applying for pistol permits, a duty that we approach with the attention it deserves. Today, social media is a vital investigative tool and we make a use of it in these background investigations in order to render a well-founded and complete recommendation on applicants to the courts. None of the eight (8) applicants who supplied Facebook information have had their accounts accessed, which I know because I am the investigating officer and the only person conducting background checks. I approach this duty with the greatest respect for gun owners and their rights, a perspective that is shaped by my 9-year service in the U.S. Navy and exposure to guns at a young age through my grandfather, a well-respected gunsmith. I do not take guns, gun safety or our freedoms as Americans lightly, and as Chief of Police I have a serious job to do, and I approach it with respect.'

- Watervliet Police Chief Ronald A. Boisvert, Jr.

*The form originally posted as being included in the Pistol Permit Package has been removed and replaced with a version that does not request an applicants’ Facebook information.

- See more at: http://albany.twcnews.com/content/news/779408/controversy-surrounds-pistol-permit-application-asking-for-facebook-information/#sthash.Fd9R3OFk.dpuf

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Naples Gun School - 5 stars  I've been a repeat customer for FFL transfers with Naples Gun School for quite some time. Dave's customer service and knowledge are second to none. After speaking with Dave for a few moments, you start to feel as if you have known him for quite a while. I look forward to continuing my business when the new location opens. - Robert Boyette

I really enjoyed the class yesterday, and it was very nice to meet David and Ginny. David is very knowledgeable, helpful, and best of all: has a sense of humor. I was more nervous than I thought I would be because this was the first time in my life that I've ever shot a semi-automatic weapon. David lives and breathes this stuff and his presence and ease with weapons was very calming for me when I was at the range. Ginny was also very supportive throughout the whole class. Thank you guys so much! It's a pleasure and I will be back to purchase supplies from you! - Shenandoah Webb

Naples Gun School - 5 starsTook the 3/31/18 class and loved it! Dave was very informative and his laid back teaching style made the 4 hour class fly by. Would recommend this class to anyone interested in a CWP. Thanks Dave and Ginny! - Kelly Gardner

Naples Gun School - 5 stars I’d like to thank The Naples Gun School for the time and effort they took in order to help me become a more responsible hand gun owner. By taking your CCWP class on 3.31.2018, I’m honestly a better person today than I was yesterday. Your course is not only interesting, but informative as well. The time we had together flew by. Throughout the whole process, they were calm and patient with every student. Especially after everyone seemed to drop their cartridges on the floor during the revolver training portion of the program. I highly recommend Naples Gun School to anyone that’s interested in becoming a CCWP holder. And I definitely will use their services by purchasing all my gun needs through their establishment. David & Ginny, thank you so much. I had a wonderful time!Chris Shaffer

 

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Naples Gun School - 5 stars Used Naples Gun School for a FFL transfer and after talking with David decided to take his CCW class and am glad I did. David is very knowledgeable and his class is small so you receive one on one training in the classroom and the range. I Highly recommend Naples Gun School. You won’t find a better class in Naples. Thank you David for a great experience. - Michael Ferrarelli

 

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I took the class on 3/10/18 and I was blown away. David and his wife are excellent people and David is an excellent instructor. The class is excellent and exceeded my expectations with information on the laws of Florida, and as well to carry properly, load the weapons as well as placement of holding weapons. If your looking to buy a weapon he is the man to go to. I personally bought my firearm from and he equipped me with great knowledge during my time there. I give this class 100 out of 100 and highly recommended. David is a great guy and instructor with many years of experience!! - Cory Duffy

 

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Naples Gun School - 5 stars Awesome class. Great preparation for firearm handling and concealed carry details. - Jeffrey Alty

 

Naples Gun School - 5 stars Very informative. Was made to feel very comfortable. Had some prior gun knowledge, left with a lot more. I highly recommend anyone thinking about getting their permit go there. - Sara Bunker

 

Naples Gun School - 5 stars I attended the conceal carry and gun safety training class on Feb 17th, 2018. David was very knowlegable and provided a lot of information that I think should be part of any gun safety or conceal carry training. He was very professional and took the time after the class and before we met at the gun range to answer several questions I had as well as show me a few different gun options they sell. I highly recommend David and Naples gun shop & school for anyone wanting to seriously learn what they need to before purchasing or using a firearm. Thank you, David! - Amanda Daves

 

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Had a great experience at the CCW class. Dave explained the information throughly and made it very easy to understand. I would definitely recommend the class to anyone interested.. -Scott Sioma

 

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Enjoyed the class very much! It was well taught and all the information was presented professionally and was easy to understand. I was nervous at first but our instructor put our minds at ease. Would definitely recommend! - Tony Aceto

 

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I had an amazing experience in the CCW class that David teaches! This class was so informative and interesting. The way David presented everything made it extremely fun and easy to retain. The size of the class was 12 people, so we all got one on one training and I feel it was the perfect size of class. I learned so many important things that I never would have even thought about without this class. Ginny was also so wonderful, and so supportive when I was nervous. I had so many questions that were answered, and the amount of knowledge Ginny and Davis shared with the class was astounding. I feel very confident now about gun safety and self defense and I would highly recommend this class!! David and Ginny know their stuff!! -Senae Hughes

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